Autism Acceptance
<Speaker >This week is recognized as World Autism Acceptance Week, from March 27 to April 2.
<v Speaker 1>World Autism Acceptance Week coincides with Autism Acceptance Day on April 2.
<v Speaker 1>And Autism, also known as Autism Spectrum Disorder, affects mental, behavioral and social development.
<v Speaker 1>Autism is a developmental disability caused by differences in the brain.
<v Speaker 1>People with ASD often have problems with social communication and interaction and restricted or repetitive behaviors or interests.
<v Speaker 1>Children with autism have been shown to be sometimes sufficient in nutrients the human body needs to remove toxins from their body.
<v Speaker 1>The autism detox process may involve eating a gluten-free diet, removing other food allergens and intolerances, and eating low sugar.
<v Speaker 1>There is no known cure for autism.
<v Speaker 1>However, naturopathic medicine and therapies can be used as adjuvant treatments for autistic children.
<v Speaker 1>Combined with traditional medical psychotherapy-based approaches, they can help to reduce the severity of your children's autism symptoms.
<v Speaker 1>Other treatments, such as ABA, ot, speech and language therapy and social skill therapy, can work even easier and more efficiently once the child has improved his or her brain functioning with brain map-guided neurofeedback, as the child's brain functioning is now more receptive to other therapies.
<v Speaker 1>Trihealth offers an array of naturopathic, non-invasive solutions for adults, and today we are going to hear from Dr Jason Granzotto about how naturopathic medicine can help us, as parents, to find ways to offer non-invasive treatments and healthy alternatives regarding diet, brain function and approaches.
<v Speaker 1>Hey, there you go.
<v Speaker 1>Good morning, welcome back.
<v Speaker 1>Thank you for joining us.
<v Speaker 1>Today we have a very special guest back on the podcast, dr Jason Granzotto from TriHealth Wellness, and today I wanted to say a special congratulations, as TriHealth has won the top choice award for a wellness center of 2023.
<v Speaker 1>Congratulations, thank you, yeah we were so excited.
<v Speaker 1>That's amazing.
<v Speaker 1>You guys really deserve it.
<v Speaker 1>You're so busy taking care of everybody, and to be recognized like that is just so fabulous, so we're so excited for you guys.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, i hope it's a stepping stone for bigger things and more offerings that we can give to our community, and you guys have been a big part of that.
<v Speaker 1>Oh, that's so sweet, you're so sweet.
<v Speaker 1>Oh, my goodness, i wanted to shout out your wife.
<v Speaker 1>So Dr Maria and Dr Jason.
<v Speaker 1>Their clinic is located in Woodbridge.
<v Speaker 1>If you haven't visited, you have to go in and check it out And you know.
<v Speaker 1>They offer naturopathic solutions, of course, for their patients.
<v Speaker 1>They're happy to serve the GTA.
<v Speaker 1>Some of their services include massage, cairo acupuncture, live blood analysis, personal training, medical thermography, laser therapy, shockwave therapy, cryotherapy and many more.
<v Speaker 2>And.
<v Speaker 1>Jason was thrilled to bring forth this topic of autism acceptance awareness week, and this is recognized throughout March 27th, april 2nd, and it coincides with World Autism Day, which is April 2nd coming up.
<v Speaker 1>So, jason, i'd love to hear a bit more about what you're offering some of your patients in regard to natural therapies for autism.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, i love working with individuals who have been diagnosed with autism or anywhere on the spectrum and working with their families, because it's always it's a group effort And I've been really fortunate.
<v Speaker 2>I've had so many great kids come through And from many different levels.
<v Speaker 2>I've had some people who have some kids have had severe autism to some individuals mildly on the spectrum And their individual needs vary a lot, which is, i think, is helpful to recognize because we do have a very individualistic approach to every case.
<v Speaker 2>I really do steer away from a lot of what's perhaps considered a mainstream approach.
<v Speaker 2>I know that there's all people who've had success with what's considered the standard supplementary dietary, whatever the protocols that seem to have garnered some traction in the community, and understandably, because a lot of the times these items do have benefit.
<v Speaker 2>But my approach tends to be a conglomeration of my individual ideology of how each case is unique And we're working on some fundamentals where I do see children with autism that there's an issue with sensory and or dietary specific sensitivities, where they really do not like variation, they do not like changing their diet.
<v Speaker 2>They want to eat the same sort of things literally every day.
<v Speaker 2>There's a.
<v Speaker 2>It's really kind of involved.
<v Speaker 2>What's going on there.
<v Speaker 2>So working with the family to start being creative and introducing and changing that, that's a bit of an obstacle because they don't understand why they want the same thing all the time.
<v Speaker 2>But as a practitioner I'm seeing how sometimes it's usually very carbohydrate based, very savory, very, almost kind of borderline junk food.
<v Speaker 2>So besides nutritional deficiencies, there's also some blood sugar regulation issues that start to creep in And one of my big tenants that I work with is blood sugar as a mechanism of regulating symptomology, meaning blood sugar as it's becoming compromised.
<v Speaker 2>And I'm not talking about diabetes, i'm talking about something called dysglycemia, which is a roundabout way of saying how well your body copes with carbs and breaks them down and utilizes them.
<v Speaker 2>And it's a very common state that individuals with autism they do not do well with carbohydrates and their blood sugar is in a constant flux And you'll see rapid changes in mood, a big decline in focus And sometimes just stabilizing their diet by introducing a little bit more protein and being very consistent with timing of meals.
<v Speaker 2>Their focus improves, their changeability of mood starts to stabilize And you get to see a little bit more of a better glimpse of that individual as opposed to any one of us could be not at our best when we're hyperlycemic, headachey, irritable, cranky.
<v Speaker 2>All those commercials that you're hangry, you can magnify it.
<v Speaker 2>And these poor kids are suffering and they don't know why They're not connected to that feeling, because they're kids.
<v Speaker 2>So a big part of it is focusing on dietary stability.
<v Speaker 2>I also do look at food sensitivities.
<v Speaker 2>I do look at some supplementation, but a bigger part that I think that is evolving in the body of knowledge And I really respect families that have children with autism, that they share their experiences because some detoxification programs that are very gentle and mild seem to help with reducing some of the stronger symptoms, whether it's issues with vocalization, limitations of the vocabulary, any type of tick behaviour, stimming.
<v Speaker 2>Those seem to be stabilized by some heavy metal mineral detoxification, which I know is controversial, but this seems to be helping some.
<v Speaker 1>It is.
<v Speaker 1>It is controversial, a lot of the findings they really try to define that it's not a cure, it's a treatment, it's something that can allow for some change in the body.
<v Speaker 1>And parents with autism, like where are parents who have children with autism, or if you're a parent with autism, dealing with that regulation and the changes in the body?
<v Speaker 1>like it's a lot of patients that we speak with they're aware, let's say, they have a physical disability.
<v Speaker 1>They say I know that nothing's gonna cure my situation or my state, but just to get that kind of cross education and understanding to help support what you're trying to do right for your health.
<v Speaker 1>That's key And I know at your clinic you offer acupuncture, which seems to be a really lovely modality for healing in all aspects, you know, but especially those on the spectrum.
<v Speaker 1>So what are your findings and are you treating a lot of patients at this time?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, i do find a lot of value in using some acupuncture with including children with autism And I've done acupuncture usually be cut off as like I don't do it for children under four years old usually four or five years old and above because they have a little bit more of a comfortability and a little slightly more understanding of what's happening.
<v Speaker 2>Obviously the parents have to be on board with it as well And I do a very basic form of acupuncture.
<v Speaker 2>They're called, like some people refer to them, as the wisdom points or, and they're on the top of the head like you're.
<v Speaker 2>Actually it looks like I'm creating a little crown.
<v Speaker 2>There's about five different positions that are sort of equidistant to each other And when I do that number one it's virtually pain-free because on the scalp and with the caliber, the timeliness of the needles, it's virtually like they don't even feel any kind of needle penetration.
<v Speaker 2>It's just like it's almost like a little prickle as opposed to anything.
<v Speaker 2>That's just like transient and they don't notice it.
<v Speaker 2>And sometimes they'll have the children, they'll kind of they might get a little bit bored and they'll start kind of walking around the room and I'm just keeping an eye on them.
<v Speaker 2>But they go from here to here And we did that once in a while.
<v Speaker 2>It's not again.
<v Speaker 2>It's not a curative thing, it's more of a in the moment.
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes the child's coming in and they are very stimulated And after that kind of treatment they're showing a lot more calmness and a little bit more of a clarity of they can have engaging conversation.
<v Speaker 2>They don't feel like they need their device or they need to be constantly distracted.
<v Speaker 2>And I like the idea and I just want to touch on a point of autism.
<v Speaker 2>We're not trying to cure it.
<v Speaker 2>The idea for me is like depending on where they are I mean, i've had 20 year olds come in, i've had 30 year olds, i had two year olds I think really the idea and it has to do with your concept of the onset.
<v Speaker 2>Again, it opens up to a lot of debate and the idea is like the earlier diagnosis and the earlier intervention can often minimize delays because a lot of the setbacks are occurring during the rapid neurodevelopment between ages like one and four years old.
<v Speaker 2>So as much intervention and like positive intervention, meaning like really disturbing the child's life so much that it feels like they're just a medical guinea pig.
<v Speaker 2>You want them to have a childhood but you also want to try to intervene and help support them at an early stage so that they feel like when they get to the school years they can integrate with a classroom and like, fit in and feel comfortable.
<v Speaker 2>Even if they need some assistance, they're not too far behind.
<v Speaker 1>Right and it is difficult getting on those lists.
<v Speaker 1>You know OAP and figuring out from an early stage if you want to go the tight talk route and speech therapy, and those are some of the things you can integrate that give it that clinical aspect, like get them used to going in and seeing new faces and being in different rooms with new toys.
<v Speaker 1>I read yesterday that Albert Einstein was actually on the spectrum.
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know that.
<v Speaker 2>You'll hear more and more of these great minds because often they are extremely talented and extremely intelligent in areas that they're interested in or wherever their skillset lie, and they excel.
<v Speaker 2>I've seen many children and young adults that they can start their own small business or they have some kind of artistic ability or something like this is obviously beyond the average individual You would think.
<v Speaker 2>Someone who maybe recognizes having some type of learning disability or on a spectrum you don't naturally assign the idea that they must have some kind of amazing talents.
<v Speaker 2>That's obviously a wake up call because you recognize that they all have such really, really interesting abilities and the conversations are much more rewarding than what you would think maybe the average child might offer you.
<v Speaker 2>You can meet and talk with someone who has autism.
<v Speaker 2>You're in for a treat.
<v Speaker 1>That's right.
<v Speaker 1>That's right.
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to ask you a bit about the pharmaceutical side or how there's this fine line.
<v Speaker 1>At the moment with NAC and I am looking into just different treatment options and getting education I've learned that there's a dysregulation that is observed in autism.
<v Speaker 1>This NAC is an amazing protein.
<v Speaker 1>It's an amino acid that supports detoxification and glutathione production in the body, which can be converted into glutathione and subsequently release glutathione made into the extracellular space and thus reduce gluconormagenic neurotransmission at synapses.
<v Speaker 1>It's considered a potential drug for autism spectrum disorder treatment.
<v Speaker 1>However, it's on the cusp so that the FDA may get a pharmaceutical.
<v Speaker 1>So get as much as you can while you can.
<v Speaker 1>In hearing that, i wanted to know what your opinion is on it and if that's something you recommend and if there's some neotropics that you recommend, because I know that's your domain.
<v Speaker 2>You're hitting on one area of the research that is very interesting whether or not there's something like an issue with detoxification, where these individuals they have maybe like whether it's like a recessive trait or a mutation or a process that's not being established early on and it's resulting in maybe like a buildup of a precursor or a metabolite that's not getting eliminated appropriately and that it's acting as like a, almost like a block which prevents some of the neuro synapses from executing their function as they're to be expected.
<v Speaker 2>This idea has been around for a while and in various different forms.
<v Speaker 2>There used to be a concept of gluten and dairy.
<v Speaker 2>It was sitting a very similar block because they're not getting metabolized and they're acting almost like a, like a dulling substance on the brain and preventing normal neural synapse function.
<v Speaker 2>The idea is like how to eliminate and reduce any of these blockages to allow proper neurological function.
<v Speaker 2>Nac is very good at the detox element and reducing the toxic burden.
<v Speaker 2>That it seems to be consistent with these individuals.
<v Speaker 2>I'm not opposed to the idea of having a gluten and dairy free diet as well, because I have seen benefit with focus by avoiding a lot of these substances.
<v Speaker 2>That food sensitivities will always be debatable and there's a lot of hesitancy.
<v Speaker 2>But when parents are introduced to the idea that there's really good, healthy alternatives and there is no obstacle or shortcoming to doing so, plus the benefit, plus noticing an improvement in their cognitive function, their focus, their ability to sit still and listen and take part in the lesson, then the teachers are giving feedback and it's like whatever you're doing, keep up because we're seeing a positive change.
<v Speaker 2>So there is definitely an element of toxicity and a lack of detoxification processes that are consistent with these individuals.
<v Speaker 2>So a lot of the times, even at the level of like some basic neurotropic, like even just B12, whether it's B12 injection or a daily high dose of a vitamin B12 can help with neurological protection and function and being attentive, and also helps with energy, because sometimes it would seem like they don't have an issue with fatigue because a lot of times they seem like they have so much energy I refer to it as unbound energy.
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes it's actually a sign of exhaustion and if you have any small children, they'll seem to be running all over the place, but as soon as you get in the car with them, within two minutes, they're fast asleep and deep asleep.
<v Speaker 2>Usually that's a sign of overtired, and so these individuals on the spectrum, a lot of times their bodies just working really hard to do processes that we take for granted, so they may seem overstimulated but sometimes they're just really tired.
<v Speaker 2>So again that goes back into a nice dietary and sleep routine and sleep hygiene and making sure, like you're being really consistent and introducing a supplement protocol that's comfortable, so that's not overwhelming, and a lot of these like there is no side effects, there is no like detriment, so I am very comfortable with a lot of these supplements because they have all the only yield like positive results and really no shortcomings.
<v Speaker 1>Right, that's the truth And I wanted to touch on clinical.
<v Speaker 1>I guess it's more like a personal study this family was doing.
<v Speaker 1>I had shown or shared with you that they were using elderberry and CMOS to create this tonic for their eight year old And over two or three months they saw some results in cognitive function and just overall mood and what I.
<v Speaker 1>What I love about this is like CMOS is like a super food, like it's got all these benefits.
<v Speaker 1>We're learning about it now, more so, and you know I was looking at ways like how can I incorporate natural herbs and like what natural herbs are people using in the autism community?
<v Speaker 1>because in the spring I'll be teaching at the Thames Valley Children's Center and adaptive dance movement program for those with autism.
<v Speaker 1>So I'll be like sort of observing as well as like an athlete or dancer.
<v Speaker 1>You know someone who's moving and needs all that energy and needs that recall to remember the geography and steps right.
<v Speaker 1>So I'll have like my own little study.
<v Speaker 1>I'll be able to look a bit deeper into how you know the synapses are firing when we're in class and how everyone's feeling and how that affects their mood.
<v Speaker 1>Right, and I love the idea of parents taking it into their own power with regard to herbs and treatment, and so what do you think about CMOS and elderberry and those types of herbs for treatment?
<v Speaker 2>I think it's a really amazing opportunity for the family, the parents in particular, to take part in the therapeutics of their child and the idea of like they're, you know, almost like on a little journey to try to discover what really helps their child and and they start developing a better understanding of what helps them thrive and what are some of their triggers that may aggravate.
<v Speaker 2>And I think that these ones are, like you know, sugar, let's just say sugar is a big trigger and, you know, odd, like parents can recognize that it's like, hey, you know what, as soon as they had that they had a setback or an approbation or they had an off day.
<v Speaker 2>And, conversely, identifying like something like you know, cmos, assuming that you know it's a form that's comfortable for the child to consume.
<v Speaker 2>My presumption is that it's the mineral replacement that is helping, perhaps like one filled deficiencies of chemical reactions in the body, because often minerals are the bottleneck.
<v Speaker 2>We lack a lot of mineral, mineral density, in our food because our soil is just so over, you know, over taxed, and the richness of it is becoming thinner and thinner.
<v Speaker 2>So, replacing general minerals across the board, i am a big proponent of mineral supplementation, not necessarily a multivitamin but a multi mineral and that can kind of fill up a lot of deficiency and free up some more resources so that their cognitive function can, you know, increase and jump up a level.
<v Speaker 2>Things like elderberry are useful because sometimes these kids have a slightly more predisposition to colds or flus.
<v Speaker 2>They're, you know, the the, you know they suffer a little bit longer.
<v Speaker 2>Whether that's like a genetic disposition, i'm not sure.
<v Speaker 2>But also I'm a big fan of like herbs that help with tonifying mood and nervousness, because often they have they show a lot of increased anxiety or agitation.
<v Speaker 2>So something even basic like chamomile is very good at like, not just helping their digestion and settling their tummies but also just helping soothe their nerves and maybe help them with bedtime to help the bed routine.
<v Speaker 2>So it's not such a, you know, i mean sometimes they feel like they're not off the walls but they're probably really really tired.
<v Speaker 2>So trying to figure out like a better bedtime and bedtime routine where they're, a tea is maybe introduced as a way to sort of mark the end of the day and, you know, create some enjoyment about, you know, bedtime.
<v Speaker 1>Right, My kids decide to do trust falls at bedtime.
<v Speaker 1>So Okay, I can only imagine, especially with autism.
<v Speaker 1>But they want to stim and they want to be with their electronic, and then you're all engaged and then you've got to wind down for them to the day.
<v Speaker 1>It can be that battle right of how do we get you relaxed.
<v Speaker 2>I think the electronics is a big part of it.
<v Speaker 2>Like, and to be honest, i think electronics got a bad rap.
<v Speaker 2>But the truth is like if we didn't, if this was like 30 years ago, they'd have something else that they were.
<v Speaker 2>you know, maybe they have their favorite puzzle or favorite TV show that they wouldn't be able to be pulled away from.
<v Speaker 2>But maybe utilizing the device as a, you know, using it as a cue, like you know, maybe putting a timer on some of the apps and then, just you know, limiting to like maybe some kind of music or something that allows them to sort of mark the end of the day Well, they still have access, but it's starting to wind down.
<v Speaker 2>just so they get the idea.
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<v Speaker 2>It's like, okay, it's time to sleep And then, you know, waking up the next day feeling good and rewarding them for that, because then now it's like reinforcing a positive behavior.
<v Speaker 1>That's right.
<v Speaker 1>The prompting is really important to initiate that behavior.
<v Speaker 1>That way, they're doing it on their own as well.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, giving them that sense of control, like they're in charge, like you know, hey, what do you want to do next Part of the bedtime?
<v Speaker 2>you want to brush your teeth, you want to take a bath first, what do you want to do?
<v Speaker 2>And maybe giving them that option of choice.
<v Speaker 2>You know it gives them ownership on the.
<v Speaker 2>You know it's transpiring.
<v Speaker 1>And the bath time is always like for us we have to do a bath time at the end of the day because that relaxes the body right, and I see and I feel the difference.
<v Speaker 1>You know, if you miss bath time, it's just they don't get all that energy.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's awesome.
<v Speaker 1>And as we're speaking on, you know these natural topics Ayurvedic medicine, traditional Chinese medicine, homey and Pacti can offer unique yet helpful perspectives on autism and various autism natural treatment options.
<v Speaker 1>And the recent finding of the microbiota gut brain axis indicates the bi-directional connection between our gut and our brain which we've discussed, demonstrating that the gut can influence many neurological disorders, such as autism.
<v Speaker 1>So most autistic patients suffer from gastrointestinal symptoms, and it's said that vitamin D deficiency could explain why autism spectrum disorder is more common in boys, and a deficiency in vitamin D on the mother side could explain why autism spectrum disorder is three times more common.
<v Speaker 1>Tell us how you advise patients to protect their guts And are there any specific products or supplements you recommend for your patients, whether they're child or adult?
<v Speaker 2>I think you bring up a really good point in terms of the connection with the gut and the brain, because a lot of the times these kids, when their diet isn't being closely monitored, they, you know, like most kids, they gravitate towards sugar And we know that sugar has a terrible way of shifting the gut biota to towards more of the pathogenic bacteria that in itself has.
<v Speaker 2>It's a pro-inflammatory, it's an aggravated immune function and also has a rebound effect on the brain, where you know whether it's sending mis-messages about feeling full or hungry, or blood sugar control, or acting as like a dulling agent where some of these toxins are acting to block the normal neural synapses.
<v Speaker 2>Cleaning up the diet is really critical and has a lasting benefit, not just for their general health but for their symptomology and definitely reducing stimming.
<v Speaker 2>Stimming and blood sugar seem to go hand in hand in a lot of ways increasing healthy protein intake.
<v Speaker 2>And you know, sometimes there is a big obstacle with just being so particular and very picky And because, you know, sometimes it's easier for the parents just to give in and be like, okay, you know what they're.
<v Speaker 2>Just they're tantrumming, they're stimming.
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<v Speaker 2>I don't want them to get more and more agitated because they, you know they're.
<v Speaker 2>You know I feel for them.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what else to do And sometimes I just give in because it seems to be the better or the lesser of two evils.
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes that's when we'll introduce one of those mild detox protocols that has been gaining a lot of attention on social media with parents And I've reached out to the company and I started to see some benefit with my own patient where using this very mild I mean it's pretty much based on that nightclay and that itself has a lot of benefits for gut health and reducing some of the dysbiosis or bad bacterial overgrowth and also helping with pulling out some heavy metals.
<v Speaker 2>And you know some mild liver detoxification And I do mean mild.
<v Speaker 2>So it's not like you know, when I say the word detox sometimes it brings up ideas of like being purging and very aggressive and uncomfortable, because you know some parents they'll tell me I did a detox once and I was sick as a dog and detox is for healthy people, especially the one you're describing.
<v Speaker 2>So anything that's mild, like really what it's doing is mineral replacement and displacing maybe some unwanted heavy metals, because that is one of the key note things that I've always noticed is with autism, we've done hair mineral analysis and often they are holding on to a lot of these toxic minerals at a higher degree For whatever reason.
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure if it's just they've had an increased exposure or they have a decreased ability to eliminate.
<v Speaker 2>So something like that nightclay is a good way to start shedding some of this unwanted heavy metals that we clinically know heavy metals can interfere with neurological function.
<v Speaker 1>And, as we discussed before, to the beach how it works that natural detox.
<v Speaker 1>So I always wonder you know if you're in ocean water?
<v Speaker 1>like, how much of a detox is that?
<v Speaker 2>I'm certain, i mean I remember having that conversation And I mean now it's bringing up ideas of like, hey, you know what's the role of you know a mild sauna treatment or contrast showers or just walking on the beach and seeing how it works And seeing how you know your child responds.
<v Speaker 2>I mean I would presume that there would be some clinically you know relevant symptoms, relief, at least on an empirical level the parent can notice.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know water is a great sensory tool and I find that for the kids, like they really gravitate towards any water and you know, for all its healing properties, that it has everything naturally around us.
<v Speaker 1>Like you said, you know you don't need to hand them my pad.
<v Speaker 1>There's, there's natural things they can grab on to and keep busy with, And that's that's something to with.
<v Speaker 1>If you've got a chewer, like someone who likes to chew on jewelry, or their stim, they like to spin And is there any sort of things that you've come across just like in your time, you know, as a natural path in terms of like jewelry or stimming, that like you found a uniqueness in a patient that like has stuck with you, That you could think of?
<v Speaker 2>That's a good question.
<v Speaker 2>I've had some individuals I mean a lot of times they'll have like like a stuffed animal they hold on to like and then you know that they always, you know, carry and bring with them everywhere And often that kind of just that in itself kind of fades with age.
<v Speaker 2>they tend to grow out of that.
<v Speaker 2>A lot of times they may have a stem or a tick behavior with.
<v Speaker 2>that is very repetitive.
<v Speaker 2>I've had some success with homeopathics and combination homeopathics with helping relieve some of the, I guess, connection, whether it's like a neurological or a traumatic experience, and helping alleviate whatever aggravated their nervous system and then prompted some kind of recovery, that often the stim or the tick behavior.
<v Speaker 2>It's almost like a reset, like when they do that they kind of feel like they get back into like their neutral zone And without that they feel like they are kind of uncomfortable until they get to that point.
<v Speaker 2>So homeopathics are often great for, you know, reducing the reliance or the prevalence of those, because they're looking for something, for some kind of relief and they're using something tangible to do it.
<v Speaker 2>But it's really it's a sign of an internal, you know, disturbance that needs to be resolved.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, i love your insight.
<v Speaker 1>so wonderful for parents to have this perspective from you.
<v Speaker 1>and I know a lot of the treatments that we mentioned, and then you've you've used them on your own children and noticed some difference in mood and their abilities, so that's it's wonderful that you have that firsthand kind of experience as well, right as a doctor.
<v Speaker 1>Thank you again for sharing your perspective with us And I look forward to you know bringing my kiddies in because I want to see if I can get the little crown going.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a nice experience.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, they they, i have to say, every time I recommended it and they are willing to engage in the acupuncture.
<v Speaker 2>It's been a positive experience I haven't had.
<v Speaker 2>You know, kid, you know, take the first needle and start screaming and hating it.
<v Speaker 2>Usually they are like more curious And they're like, okay, well, okay, let's see where this is going.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, and they kind of like and the mom will like get the phone and kind of you know, show them and FaceTime or put the camera around, and they kind of get a kick out of it.
<v Speaker 2>And then they look forward to it and they're like are we gonna do the acupuncture?
<v Speaker 2>and like yeah, yeah, yeah, we're gonna do it, yeah, for sure.
<v Speaker 1>Then they're asking That means you're so talented to have to have that you know warm.
<v Speaker 2>I'm not afraid to try it maybe.
<v Speaker 1>That's true.
<v Speaker 1>That's true.
<v Speaker 1>Actually, i really feel my daughter she'll be right up for it, and I used to get acupuncture in my keelies and I really need some stuff.
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna see you soon Amazing.
<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much, jason.
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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for joining us and happy world acceptance for autism.
<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much for having me.
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate it.
<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Jason.
<v Speaker 2>Alright, never give up, you too.